I don’t know anything about Holtzforma but generally, history says that it’s not a good idea to buy these chinese clones/copies. Bad quality and zero service places to start with.
On Skogsforum we discuss these copies that tends to come to Sweden’s online market places each summer.
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Stihl’s new 80cc chainsaw with fuel injection has taken the chainsaw industry by storm. It’s a buzz for sure! It was a long time since there was a larger technological leap in the chainsaw industry and when new […]
It is very interesting to see how well the saw works after three months of intensive use without service. I don’t think that the airfilter is a problem, becouse I already had the opportunity to test the saw and when I checked the airfilter, it was attatched very well. The seam looked good as well.
Could you please tell me what type of fuel was used during the test?
I have owned my Jonsered 2095 Turbo for many years – bought new in 1991. The only maintenance ever done was a new filter and spark plug after about 15 years! and many many tons of wood cut. I actually only replaced those two items at that point as I felt obligated to perform some sort of maintenance on the saw. This Low (VERY LOW ) maintenance requirement is a Tribute to the ignition system and the FANTASTIC air separation called “Turbo” by Jonsered back then ( air injection by Husqvarna today ) So VERY VERY VERY efficient is the air/dust separation that I never even had to clean the filter during those many years of wood cutting (DRY WOOD) !!! The previous saw was a Sthil which required the air filter to be cleaned every couple of tankfuls…….what a pain. I am a great advocate of fuel injection of two stroke and have a history in its implementation in the field of 2 stokes. Finally its found its way to the chainsaw industry. BUT after designing a saw to accept fuel injection you neglect to incorporate air injection/turbo/ whatever you want to call it of the air supply. The application use /purpose of the saw is invariably in a dusty environment. Loggers may cut greed wood (less dust ) but a great portion of the market cuts wood for domestic use (dry wood ) which generates massive amounts of dust particles in the saws immediate area………… Either way, I feel is was a major failure to design the saw without this method of air filtration especially given it success over the years. A saw(motor) needs only 3 things to operate air /fuel /spark. Spark is covered, fuel you fixed with injection and air…….well you dropped the ball on that one. For that little bit of extra effort of (air particle separation) – I would have gone out today and bought this saw. I am in need of one, as I lost my Jonsered ( and %90 of my belongings) in the 2020 bushfires here in Australia. SO after nearly 20 years of faultless operation of cutting wood to burn in our home fires – the fire finally got its revenge.
What a story Glen! Sorry for your Jonsered an everything that was destroyed by the fire. I hope there is a life also after those horrible bushfires.
Hello Torbjorn, I survived the fires and 3 weeks later we had a flood ! crazy place. I went out and bought the Stihl 500i a week after my post. It is an impressive saw – but is it made in Germany ? The box it came in “Made in Germany” there is also a plastic sticker (label ) attached to the saw
– Made in Germany……but nowhere on the saw in any of the castings could I find indentification as to where it was manufactured. THis was another reservation I had about buying/paying so much money. That aside the Stihl 500i is an exceptional saw. I have had only a few days of wood cutting but have found it to be enjoyable to use – not as heavy as the Jonsered 2095 ( nearly2kgs lighter ! ) but the same power. I laughed when I found the article about runnning a 3/8 picco chain. I have ONLY ever run 9T sprocket & .325 full chisel chain on my JOnsered 2095 saw. I did this for the past 20years. I am running the same setup – .325full chisel chain on a Tsumura 24″ bar with 9 tooth sprocket on the Stihl 500i. The idea is to make one piece of wood into 2. Two pieces into 4 etc etc …..not to make sawdust, so the less sawdust the better Im at achieving my goal, and more of the saws power is being used for severing the wood not making a wide channel/groove. I have never really understood why people use 3/8 chain at all. My dissapontment with the saw at this stage is as predicted AIR FILTRATION, after only a few cuts I found the air filter covered in saw dust particles, a crying shame for what would otherwise have been a fairly well designed chainsaw.
Stihl has had a production fuel injected 2-stroke on the market, and presumably many thousands sold in the form of their TS400i and TS500i cutoff saws for around a decade.
Cutoff saws generally live a pretty hard life eating concrete dust and worse, so a pretty good place to ground test how well a relatively ‘complex’ (as against carburettors) fuel delivery system stands up to long term use and abuse.
I have one of the latter, manufactured in 2011 and hauled out the the shed recently after many years of non-use. To my pleasant surprise, after replacing the fuel priming bulb, which had perished after standing for several years, with the engine filled with fresh fuel, it ran up no problems.
So the longevity of the injection system and electronics is already quite well proven.
I should add I’ve just bought an MS500i to replace/upgrade my older MS441 C-M which has been a great (and reliable) saw.
So I have reasonably high expectations!
Great! Good luck with your new gear!
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As you may know we have spent quite a lot of time in the forest this winter testing out new chainsaws. Right now we are doing a long-term test on the new Stihl MS 500i, the 80cc chainsaw with fuel injection along […]
Forestry.com has tested the brand new Stihl MS 500i, the new 80cc chainsaw from the factory in Waiblingen in Germany. The only question is – where to begin?
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Very nice video guys, very impressive saw.
So with 20 tanks run through the 500i which is roughly three 7 hour logging days…the video shows how dirty it was cutting spruce.
Of course spruce or other softwood is messy with sap and lots of dust and after 3 straight days without cleaning maintenance it will be very dirty.
But normally a logger would clean it and air filter included after a 7 hour day. This would prevent fine wood dust from working past the over dirty air filter into the intake as the video showed.
So it’s very important to understand this problem.
Thank you Willard!
I agree with you and that is one of the main purposes of these short tests – lets run the saw as long as we can and before sending it back, check how it looks, both in and out.
We could be better in explaining that along with the fact that this is a new saw that has not been run in fully. Most likely it will perform better and better after each re-fuel, maybe for as long as up to like 50 re-fuels.
We have to remember that fuel injected chainsaw
development goes all the way back to 1949 at Rasmus Wiig’s small Oslo factory “Norsk Sagbladd Fabrikk” with his 8.5kg semi diesel Comet Model A chainsaw.
thanks for the review, I’m going down town Tuesday after this so called easter break, to ask for one!
Dude!! It’s 80 cc NOT 80 cubic inches! No chainsaw typically available is measured in ci or cubic inches. 80 ci is 1311 cc. Double that and you pretty much have the same ‘cube’ capacity of a 5 cylinder Volvo. Now I know modern chainsaws are pretty potent but do you really think 2 of these MS 500i’s have as much ‘cubes’ (cubic inches or cubic centimetres) as a classic 5 cylinder Volvo?
Thank you again for the vision
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Very nice well done video. The aerial drone shot was great!
First faller with the 462 needed to do some work on his chain. It was sharp enough but just needed better depth gauge or cutter side plate settings.
The second tree felled by what looks like a pro who cuts wood daily for a living was smooth operating the 462, used his helmet screen and had a good cutting properly set chain on the saw.
The C85 chain sounds interesting and I hope we get them in Canada soon.
Thank you Willard!
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